GamerGate, Sad Puppies, the Rise and Fall

OK. I finally caught up and listened to this video through - one of the longest single productions I've listened to outside of D6G podcasts, and no, it wasn't one sitting.

So.

There's a lot in here. GG and SP history, personalities, and so forth. I think one note does need to be added.

They almost alluded to the crowd in GG that was all about the "ethics in journalism", and how a number of the moderates/etc. then went away. They also discussed how Brad Torgerson, basically a likable guy, and the fourth Sad Puppies campaign, basically undercut themselves by getting into the disavowal game on one hand, and on the other accepting works like Ancillary Justice - an example of the type of message fic which was the very reason Sad Puppies started in the first place.

The thing that is overlooked is this. Leaving aside the dynamics of "sociopaths" entering a community or scene, the large chunks of #Gamergate only in it for the ethics and the shoddy behavior  as opposed to being anti-SJW didn't realize that the ethics and shoddy behavior were a direct, inevitable result of them being SJW's, and that opposing one manifestation of SJW entryism wasn't enough.

Backed Into a Corner

I've been introduced to a new blog that I've enjoyed so far at Walker's Retreat. One of his latest posts notes the following on why SJW's are going to scream and cry even more, and why they, if anything, will be even more dangerous.

When someone feels backed into a corner, they get dangerous because they see nothing to lose and all to gain. (It's why Sun Tzu said never to put your enemy there, on Death Ground, but instead to always leave him an out that takes him where you want him to go.) The SocJus cult (et. al.) feel this right now, despite it not being reality (yet), so they're already pushing each other to greater extremes- first with Rhetoric, and then with actions. If we remember that this cult acts like a rabid rabbit warren, then we can predict who's likely to break first and start some shit- and who's going to be egging them to do it.

It's a good observation. It also explains why they failed with Gamergate, as the observation had been made even at that time that, had the SJW's been so inclined as to leave anything be, they could have, and never provoked the ire and blowback.

They don't just want us irrelevant, they want us gone.